Were Back Baby

ron stoker (00:01.582)
Hey, we're here with Battleborn Duckers back after a long hiatus. It took so long because we had to make this sign. We did have a lot go on with us. We had Brian move up to Reno. So you want to tell us a little about that, Brian, why you decided to make bad decisions?

Brian Burris (00:10.06)
Yeah, and we had to get right there to fish. That was a big thing because we were struggling.

Brian Burris (00:25.356)
Got remarried and my wife decided it would be best if we actually lived in the same city so I got to move up where there are actually ducks like right next to my house and so I can drive by it every day and watch the wonderful wildlife up here and get the horses to come eat out of my front yard apparently so

ron stoker (00:44.718)
Yeah, well I don't think getting married was a bad decision. I think you just moving away from all your duck hunting buddies is a bad decision, but...

Brian Burris (00:50.988)
Yeah, that's the thing. But the good thing is we have the opportunity now to grow our organization as far as the win organization up to a new part of the state, which is going to be awesome as well. So I think there's positives and negatives for everything. And the other positive is we got Rydell to move into the presidency role for win down south. So, you know, let's him take that reign a little bit and kind of spread the leg a little bit throughout the state. So.

ron stoker (01:19.118)
Yeah, no, that was super exciting. We got Rydell in the studio with the one and only Tink. So we're excited. We're excited to have Rydell. Rydell, what did I con you into, buddy?

What are you referring to right now? I don't know just wish everyone's on your mind It feels like you've been trying to con me into getting an electric car here in the last couple of weeks Okay, listen, we'll just let the word out I got a I got a lecture car, okay With the gas to go with these

Brian Burris (01:40.78)
Don't tell that story right now.

Brian Burris (01:59.532)
Good, it's Crocs. Yeah, well, hi, Crocs.

ron stoker (02:04.558)
They go across. Yeah, no, no, I got electric car because the commute back and forth to Alamo to Duck Hut is ridiculous. So I understand.

Brian Burris (02:13.644)
She'd argue it six months before that battery ran in on the trail somewhere with a car about 100 yards out of the trail.

ron stoker (02:20.746)
Well, it only cost about 50 to 60 K to get a new one so he'll be fine I'm sure it's under warranty. You ever take that test off so sweet jumps? Hell yeah! man, that thing gets going fast. I catch some major arrow man. yeah, yeah I know I've driven them. I

I mean, if I was given one, I would take it. I understand why you got it for that commute. Actually for you, it makes sense because the commute that you have and then you have a charging station here in town, you are not going to really have to worry about anything except for the battery. Once it finally dies, you just have to worry about that 20 80 rule and don't trust the automatic pilot function. Yeah, no, I, that thing already, I had to stop it already cause it got mad at me.

Apparently you have to keep both hands on the wheel and look forward if you're gonna use it so we'll end up having nothing, I might as well drive! Yeah, if I don't take a nap after, you know, catching up on my Instagram, but no.

Brian Burris (03:23.148)
Yeah, the whole point of being able to sleep in the way of Eric. I mean, come on. Up here, we've got them everywhere. So, since Tesla's got the Gigafactory up here, I've seen probably 50 Cyber Trucks up here, every third car's a Tesla. And then right now, I'd be happy, because every car that's not a Tesla is pretty much a Subaru up here. So...

ron stoker (03:35.758)
Yeah.

ron stoker (03:45.238)
Hey, Subaru's they work man. You know what it feels like with with Rydell telling me it's okay It's like when your friend comes out of the closet when Brian came out the closet one time. We get it. We get it It's good for you. It makes sense

Brian Burris (03:55.564)
Hahaha!

Brian Burris (04:01.74)
Well, literally I would be a croc like you and I can feel it in my transition. So...

ron stoker (04:04.142)
We understand why you moved to Reno, Brian, for you it makes sense!

Brian Burris (04:09.516)
Hahaha!

Brian Burris (04:14.444)
Ayayay!

ron stoker (04:15.534)
Ducks are better up there. That makes sense. We get it. Hey, the pendulum is swinging back. We understand why you gotta test the wrong. We get it.

Brian Burris (04:19.18)
They're gonna get us cancelled before we're even back! Jesus!

If we were gonna get cancelled, we would have got cancelled the second episode probably, so...

ron stoker (04:35.118)
I was like, if someone gave one to me, I'd take it. But you know, we'd get it for you, Ron.

Brian Burris (04:42.348)
Well, I was gonna be up for salvage before too long, so to have a beer without a ride there would be an opportunity.

ron stoker (04:47.822)
They are sweet cars though, I mean like the aerodynamics involved with them is basically like driving the airplane. If you're driving against the wind, if you're driving with all these winds that we've been getting, you don't even really feel it because it literally pushes the wind.

For those reasons, they're good to go for like distances like what Ron's commute is, you're good to go. Driving to LA? Woo! Driving to Laughlin? Mmmmm! You're gonna have a hard time. I'm trying to figure out how to pull it off on my long drives in Del Conte. Like, I keep a truck halfway and find a charger station up there. Like, I'm starting to plan it out. I just drove up there and there is a charging station in the Sinclair.

Brian Burris (05:25.036)
I think it's charted as an animal.

ron stoker (05:33.198)
At Sinclair, there's like three or four of them right there and I saw three Teslas pulled in on my way back. I'm thinking about... Go ahead.

Brian Burris (05:38.732)
I don't think you're going to the movies in there though.

ron stoker (05:43.438)
I'm thinking about, yeah, I'm not gonna make it to the Rubies. He's not gonna make it. Yeah, no, I forgot what I was gonna say. Yeah, not gonna make it to the Rubies, unless I put a generator in the trunk. What was the point at that point? I don't know. Yeah, you're right. When I go up there, I have to bring gas with me. That's how, I mean, if you can't, if you have to bring your own gas, you can't have an electric car up there. It just doesn't make any sense.

Brian Burris (06:09.42)
You know, one of my guys has, one of the guys that works with us, just bought a brand new electric Mercedes. I think it's sweet. But, it's a Mercedes, so more than we probably make in two years.

ron stoker (06:16.878)
Yeah, how much did that cost?

Yeah. A manufactured home. You can buy some land and a manufactured home and live in that instead of having a car that's electric and Mercedes for some comfort because your seats heat up for you. Well, Ray Dale, tell us about your last duck season. How was it? My last duck season, it was.

Brian Burris (06:32.428)
Exactly.

ron stoker (06:43.982)
It was satisfying. Yeah, it was satisfying. I got everything that I wanted. There was a few times where Tink looked at me and was like, what are we doing here? Because there was just nothing flying around. But I say that this past year we had more of those days than we did of prosperous days, but it was still fun. As long as you're sitting out there on the water watching the sunrise, watching the sunset and watching wildlife.

can't get no better than that. Yeah bad days ducking is better than most good days sitting around the house. Yes sir.

Brian Burris (07:19.66)
It was a rough year. It was just weather wise it was a rough year. So nothing froze up north. We would get up in the rain area, we'd get a day or two where the ponds are frozen and then we'd move into the rivers and then within two days everything was unfrozen and we'd get eight inches of snow one day and wake up by two o 'clock in the afternoon and be gone. So there was no reason for these ducks to really migrate. They just, they had plentiful food. They had plenty of water that was open. And so there was no reason for them to move down south. So.

ron stoker (07:49.038)
You're right. At the end of the season, man, I was going so hard that me and Joel Henderson looked at each other one day. We're like, we're done. Like, I can't, I can't do, I can't maintain this anymore. It's just too hard. And also, Ryan left me on supervisor. So you can probably like, we need to stop, but there's no one around to tell me to stop. And so like I had Joel Henderson, who's the opposite. He's like, yeah, we could do that. That'll be okay, Ron. Ron's over. And so like, yeah, it was, I had a...

I had a fantastic season. You want to hear my most sketchy story I did all year? Of course. Top 10. Is it legal? Yeah, it's definitely. All right, let's go. Well, people are going to frown upon it, but I don't care. It's definitely legal. So we get up and like Brian said, the ducks weren't in, right? And they weren't migrating down. So we had to do some other tactics. And we get up one morning and we start hunting ice holes. Me and Joel Henderson, we find it. We spotted that ice hole and we.

We snuck up on that ice rink. What's it called Joel? Joel? No, what'd you call it? Joel, it's called Brian's Replacement. So we get up there and we found it and we snuck up and we got up there, pulled the trigger. Boom. We had our limits. It was awesome. Really? Yeah, we had our limits.

Brian Burris (08:48.684)
The A -Holes are my holes.

Brian Burris (08:54.668)
Hahahaha

episode featuring Joe Hedison.

ron stoker (09:11.662)
The only problem is there's about 7 to 10 feet of ice out to the open water and the water was deep. Did you take rock with you? Yeah, but you can't run a dog out of ice because they can't get back in. Yeah, so it was okay. We had a kayak, you know, and so we didn't have rope, but I had tie downs, so we daisy chained tie downs together. she's got to go potty. Okay, we could, to be continued after Tink goes potty. You guys can go posit.

Brian Burris (09:38.796)
We'll just edit it.

ron stoker (09:42.318)
You can edit it out right Brian?

Brian Burris (09:45.26)
Yeah, I can add that up, we'll just place it in.

ron stoker (09:48.334)
What are you looking for?

She doesn't need a leash in the backyard.

Ugh.

yeah, she will jump.

Brian Burris (10:08.748)
You and Joe Henderson, unsupervised dynamic duo.

ron stoker (10:12.77)
I have got some stories that will make -

Yeah, Joel eggs yawn too is the problem.

Brian Burris (10:23.404)
What did you think about?

Brian Burris (10:30.892)
You're gonna have to get an electric boat to tow behind your Tesla.

ron stoker (10:34.958)
Don't tempt me with a good time. Don't tempt me with a good time, Brian Burris.

Brian Burris (10:40.3)
Does Nate work for Tesla now, is that the deal?

ron stoker (10:44.942)
I just think the company is paying for a lot of the gas and he's like, hey, listen, I'd rather do a car payment.

ron stoker (10:53.358)
Yeah, Old Nates the one who went and picked these up for me today. Yeah.

Brian Burris (10:56.14)
Yeah Nice Nice, Cody's 21 today man Yeah, it's his birthday today

ron stoker (11:04.046)
Is it his birthday today? I saw him today, I went over and took that truck over and I'm in love with the rest of their stuff. you know what, while we're doing this, I want to build out the scene with me and Ry -Dell in it and put you on the corner.

Brian Burris (11:09.536)
Yeah

ron stoker (11:22.222)
So let me add a...

ron stoker (11:37.23)
I think it's big.

ron stoker (11:48.526)
Now I'm making a mess.

Damn it.

ron stoker (12:04.558)
up right now.

ron stoker (12:30.03)
I wish I could just fix the screen inside of it.

Brian Burris (12:33.996)
Yeah, we'll have to figure out a first way to do that.

ron stoker (12:37.998)
There is, Cody showed me how.

You just have to trim it inside the... I don't know if I want to mess with it right now though.

Brian Burris (12:56.62)
just trim the rest screen around that the centerpiece but yeah.

ron stoker (13:03.822)
He's showing me how to do it.

Do you skilling?

ron stoker (13:54.222)
Is your girl home yet?

Brian Burris (13:58.22)
No, she was gonna stay with Grace in the park or something for a little bit.

ron stoker (14:03.79)
tell her thanks for me, buddy.

Brian Burris (14:08.012)
She's like, grace we were running around the backyard screaming.

ron stoker (14:12.142)
as your mother -in -law did.

Brian Burris (14:14.504)
So, it's just, we'll see what the next PET scan says, but she keeps missing chemo because they use every excuse for them to miss chemo apparently. So, if that's definitive treatment, it really doesn't do any good.

ron stoker (14:16.206)
Yeah.

ron stoker (14:39.566)
Yeah.

ron stoker (14:50.702)
Let me try one more thing. What's up?

Brian Burris (14:52.012)
It's true you water, I know. It's true you water.

ron stoker (14:56.814)
Which tree? The one in the very back. Next to the pole here. They're all trying to... I told Ronald to let me know when they were full and he said, God. Sure, that's what I said.

Brian Burris (14:57.772)
Yeah, because I hate you. The one, the no -bear one. The one, where the no -bear is from.

Brian Burris (15:12.94)
Hahaha

ron stoker (15:25.262)
Well, next time, Brian.

Brian Burris (15:26.924)
Well, we'll figure it out. We can build the scenes out. Like, I don't know, I think I can build the scenes and stuff and then send them to you and you can just plug them in too.

ron stoker (15:34.83)
Well, I guess have Cody come look at it. Okay. Hey, happy birthday. What? How you bring it to do? Cody. yeah. Yeah. Okay, we ready to get back into the story and we'll go from there? Yeah. Okay. Here we go. Unpause. So there I was. There I was with Joel Henderson.

Brian Burris (15:37.26)
The other thing is field transitions.

Brian Burris (15:43.884)
Totally. Yeah.

I've been 21.

Brian Burris (15:57.388)
the king of the sun.

ron stoker (16:01.294)
We had tons of ducks on the water and we didn't want to kill rock. So we had a kayak though because we came prepared with a kayak and no rope. And so what Joel, what I said is that I said I have a lot of tie downs because every good redneck does. Yes. You know. So tied around my waist and then we tied them together and then we edged out on the ice as much as we thought it could hold me in Joel. And then I kind of just scooshed out with my butt until I came into the water.

And then the rope wasn't long enough, so I had to unhook myself once I was in the water. So then I threw it back on the ice. We picked up all the ducks and then Joel Henderson pulled me back onto the shore. How deep was the water? Unknown, but like it was on the lower. It was up in sunny side, so like we would have died. I am going to say this for the record. I do not condone these types of activities whatsoever.

Brian Burris (16:57.612)
If you wanna do it, film it so we can show the record.

ron stoker (17:00.654)
Yeah, and for the record, it was awesome. You should do it. So, no, also after that we went home and Joel brought out a bunch of rope and he brought out ice picks and a sledgehammer. And yeah, we're all set now for ice hole shooting. It was a good time. So. That's not a good time. That's I mean, especially if you're just breasting your ducks out to me, the meat to death ratio.

He's just not there.

Brian Burris (17:31.724)
That's what we gotta start doing when we go from being a blonde, we gotta figure out the meat to death ratio to see if someone's gonna live there for us to go with blonde.

ron stoker (17:40.27)
I think that's cute. You think I can't convince you guys that it's okay. Like, like Don Probe said, like Don Probe said, he goes, he's really convincing. So, guys leave me the keys. if you're not back in by sundown, I'll, I'll, I'll let the authorities know. Yeah.

Brian Burris (17:42.716)
Hey, you lost your voice of reason. Like, I was the one that stopped you.

ron stoker (18:07.118)
Yeah, no, no, no, I pulled out of my pocket and gave Joel the keys so we were set. lord. So, but I did put a life jacket on. that helps with hypothermia. It does. So, no, that was Brian leaving me on supervised. I had a spectacular, it was awesome. We did a lot of good stuff, hunted with a lot of good people. Nice, nice. One of my favorite memories was Canvas Back Christmas.

Brian Burris (18:08.204)
Welcome back -

ron stoker (18:36.814)
Okay. Where I convinced a bunch of people to go out and put out every single decoy they had. Every single one. We had a shoreline on one of the major hunting areas up there lined shore to shore decoys. And you know what, how many ducks we got? How many did you get? 15. So we put out...

Brian Burris (18:56.172)
They sell out 7000 ecolos and 15 ducks

ron stoker (19:05.23)
2500 decoys for that eradication goose head. Whoa. And we got close to 400 total. Yeah, our number's about the same. If you do fractions and add them up, you should reduce them down. We're close. I'm a denominator.

Brian Burris (19:15.564)
You know, the funny thing is there's actually a lot of places.

Brian Burris (19:24.172)
There's a lot of places that are now like that Snow Goose Hunt is starting to be a thing of the past a lot of places. So the numbers are reduced and so they're starting to limit their hunts. So the opportunity to go to 400 birds at a whack is going to be a little bit tougher going forward I think.

ron stoker (19:39.118)
Well, where we were at, there were so many coming in like the last day and a half, we were just tired of cleaning and shooting and literally walked out as they were standing above us and we're back there and I could still hear them. It was like, you want to go get some more? And we were like, no, we're good. When you clean that many snow geese, you said 400 plus, right? What, what cramps first? Show me, show me on your body.

Brian Burris (19:58.86)
hahaha

Brian Burris (20:08.14)
No, don't show him my bill, that's not PG.

ron stoker (20:10.382)
He's not cleaning with that you weirdo. There was no cramping involved for me, but I was the only one digging into the carcasses to get the hearts and the livers. So everybody else was just getting a breath. I normally don't condone just breasting out birds. I like to pluck them or skin them and use the whole entire deal. But when you're dealing with that amount, I mean, even if you're dealing with 30, that's too many. You're going to be there all day. Yeah. And so I brought back, I mean,

I left a bunch of meat up there, it's in the freezer for the next people that are gonna be coming, but I brought back 40 pounds of just straight meat. That's what I could carry back on the plane. Dude, that's how much you bone off of a like a mule deer. Yeah. You're about 30 pounds of 30 to 60 pounds of meat off a mule deer. Yeah. And this was all straight meat. Straight. You have a deer's worth of duck. Goose. Goose.

Brian Burris (20:59.788)
It's funny because you look at the guys that go down to Venezuela and Argentina and those places to where their hunts, they're not going through a box of shells, they're going through cases of shells. And it's just the incredible amount of shooting you're doing and just the way you're putting your body through, number one, just that much abuse on your shoulder and somebody's got to clean all those so they're not doing it, they're just hiring somebody to do all that stuff.

ron stoker (21:13.646)
yeah.

Brian Burris (21:28.94)
It's crazy to think that many birds at one time.

ron stoker (21:32.27)
We cleaned them all ourselves. I've watched on our, you know, though, they give them out to those locals. Like I've seen the locals show up at the end of the day and pick up all the doves. Cause I mean, you know, you're not hauling all those doves back with you to America. yeah, that's another reason I don't want to go on those types of hunts, which is why I don't want to go to Africa because I want to bring the meat back and share it with other people that won't have the opportunity or don't know anything about wild game. And, for that, he had a freezer at the cabin.

where it was just full of these, the same predicament that I was in to where it was like, okay, we can bring all of this back. And the people that lived there, they could just load it up their coolers and took it home. And they were like, okay, my freezer is going to be full with this. And so like the next group that would come in, like I say, they came out only just for a day. They would already have stuff frozen for them to take back. Yeah. What's the, what's the, what's the hack to bringing back meat? How do you do it?

The hack is to get your meat frozen solid so you don't have to use ice. As long as you're flying in like seven, eight hours with a good cooler, like a lifetime cooler, you're going to be good to go. Like a Pelican cooler? Pelican, lifetime. Actually, I did an experiment and left them both out for seven days up in Spring Mountain and they both had ice retention. So.

after seven days. So they're both made in America. They're both lifetime warranties. Just one costs less than the other. Yeah. OK. And one weighs less than the other as well. So when I fly, I fly with the lifetimes because they're lighter. And when I'm at home, I use the Pelicans because they're heavier duty. They won't break. It's easy. They won't. Yeah, they won't. Now, do you bring the lifetime with you? Yes. OK. I just bring it on the plane. I use it as a suitcase.

And then when I come back, it's just me. What kind of looks you get when you're checking that in?

ron stoker (23:35.214)
I normally don't get that many looks unless somebody does not know what it is. Like they question you like, well, is there dry ice in there? How did you freeze it? Do you have tags for that? It's like that kind of stuff. But other people are like, can I have some? It's like that. So it's like for this one, I brought back the cooler. It was full. And then I also brought back like a tote bag, like a Costco one. To put in your overhead compartment. And I put it in the overhead compartment. Why is there blood dripping all over this airplane?

Brian Burris (24:01.164)
you

ron stoker (24:05.294)
Well, it was like a two and a half hour flight. And the TSA guy, of course, they looked at it and he asked for some. And I was like, OK, go ahead. Take a pack. And you just put it on there and you're good to go. Now, my dad, when he just went back, I did one of those cheapy coolers and I just gave him a plethora of different types of meat. And they lost the cooler.

Brian Burris (24:05.388)
I was out there with a lighter cooking some goose on the plane. I'm hungry.

ron stoker (24:31.95)
So he didn't get it back to the next day. He got a free flight out of it, but everything was still frozen. was it? And that was with the cheapy igloo that I had to tape up because the lid's broken off. You know, everybody has one of those ugly ones. The ones you want to get rid of. That's the one you put your jits in. You're like, hey, yeah, take this. I don't care if you bring it back. It's like one of those.

Brian Burris (24:48.812)
That's that's what we talked about like several times about the entry cost of hunting and and how you work at some of these shows and they're running $3 ,000 guns and everything have was really and and sit and all that good stuff But you don't have to have that cost of entry. I mean some of the variable rate of moving coolers

Nowadays are really not that expensive and we've got everything from your old dark mountaineer you get at Walmart to those are brands that are made for companies to buy in and brand with how many you can throw your logos and stuff like that on and I've got a really high quality rotor motor made it cooler that cost me 58 bucks and it was just every bit as good as a quality of a regular something like that and still had a great ice retention and

But you didn't have to bank the bank on it. So there's opportunities. We talk about my favorite waiters at the moment are the Rogers Brainyables, right? You can get them at a bargain price for a very good high quality waiter that's going to last you for a couple seasons. You don't have to go spend like one and a thousand dollars on the secretaries, you know?

ron stoker (25:50.574)
Mm -hmm.

ron stoker (26:01.838)
Thank you.

Brian Burris (26:02.252)
You can go buy like entry level stuff that's still going to get you what you need and you're going to have more money to go do other things like buy fuel to go take another trip or maybe get a guide for the season for a day of the season.

ron stoker (26:18.446)
Yeah, I don't know. That's why I asked Rydell all those questions is because like he's one of the cheapest guys I know when it comes to hunting and he hunts more than everybody. So I'm like, how'd you do it? You cheap bastard. Well, I think we were talking about the death to meat ratio. I do meat to gas ratio as well, which is why I don't do any mountain goat hunting. That's why I try to get you. That's why I try to get you go with me. I'm like, I'll pay for the gas. And then your ratio is way high. Yeah, but then there's also does a meat to time ratio too.

Brian Burris (26:47.532)
Yeah, but then there's a death to me ratio that's offsets his death to me ratio and then we're in trouble

ron stoker (26:49.742)
You

I know it's gonna come out with an app that you can put in all these factors and decide whether or not you should go hunting. It's always gonna say no. Same thing with like Turkey. I'm only gonna travel out to Overton. However, I did travel to Georgia, but there was other stuff involved with that as well. So that added to that. Tell us who you went to Georgia with. I went to Georgia with Hicks Chokes, Mr. Jake Boswell. I like those guys so much.

Brian Burris (27:16.716)
Jake's a good dude, man. Those guys are kicks. They're just they're just good people all the way around so Except for Jake slept through half of the trip didn't he? Didn't he like, wasn't he hunting, sleeping?

ron stoker (27:22.19)
yeah, yeah, you know what?

ron stoker (27:29.102)
he well is that on your instagram there was

Brian Burris (27:33.132)
Hahaha!

Brian Burris (27:45.484)
Yeah.

And that's a cool thing about being back in that area is you do have the opportunity to hunt turkey on a pretty regular basis during the season. You're in states like Nevada where you may have an opportunity, but for the most part, that's one of the hardest tags. Now it's going to be rank number three behind Bear and Moose. The two tags, which is talking about an incredible opportunity. You're one of the lucky guys that pulled the Moose tag out of Nevada. Not only do you get a Moose tag, but there's a guy that's going to pay for everything. He's going to guide you for six days. He's going to put you up.

ron stoker (28:13.198)
I love that, yeah.

Brian Burris (28:16.046)
he's going to feed you but for him it's a great thing so that's what he's going to guide the records the record moose in Nevada because the first one's going to be a record and so he's going to have that to add to his repertoire but that's a that's a great thing people being able to do that and have that opportunity and through the good work of conservation groups like WIN and the work that Indow's doing and other organizations

ron stoker (28:19.854)
Exactly. That's a smart move.

Brian Burris (28:39.308)
For the first time we've had a new site in Nevada. And so there's testament for hard work and dedication to creating an environment that's conducive to that.

ron stoker (28:48.43)
Okay, well back to the main story here. This is proof that Jake from Kicks, who runs Kicks, high -fier chokes, right there. He can shoot, Turkey's in his sleep, because Rydell got him. What kind of guy takes his shoes off though? That's my kind of guy. I'm always in my office, I always kick my shoes off, and this one's like, Ron, someone's gonna talk to you up front. I'm like, gosh dang it, I gotta put my shoes back on. He had been going hard. He had been going...

every day and he was just tired. That's pretty much that's all it was to it. We didn't have to get up that early. Like normally, you know, you're getting up at two or three. Yeah. But because back home, back home, you can hunt in your backyard. Like he's got deer stands in his yard. And so life's tough. It's just like, hey, we're just we're going to take the golf cart and go over there. We're going to wake up at five or six.

We'll be done by 7 .45. Why do they take a golf cart? Because they're quiet. And it's cheaper than a side -by -side, it made sense. That would be the only electric vehicle I would ever get.

Brian Burris (30:00.204)
you're gonna buy an electric bike, I have a feeling. See? It's dumb!

ron stoker (30:02.734)
already have one. That'd be the second and only one I get. I don't consider the bike a vehicle. I'm not gonna get anything else, I promise. Electric vehicles aren't of the future. Hey, the lithium battery situation just by itself. You know how much habitat we just lost because they just said that we can do the lithium mining now? You're a part of that, Ron. You're biting out of both sides of your head by...

Brian Burris (30:14.54)
Okay, let's motorcycle, baby.

ron stoker (30:31.022)
Yeah, let's go drill some more lithium so I can get two tests. What does your mic run off of? That's lithium this big. okay. 72 cells. You're right. You're right. You're better than me. What about the girl cart? The girl cart is even smaller. Do you know? Tell me more about how you're better than me. Well, all you have to do is turn on your TV. Did you know that I am?

Brian Burris (30:43.276)
Well, we knew that, but...

Brian Burris (30:54.316)
ho!

Brian Burris (30:59.756)
How are you a goat in a throat?

ron stoker (31:01.006)
Every four electric cars, you can make 99 hybrid cars out of one electric car. Do you know the lithium mines hire a biologist just to take care of the animals that injure on the water mines? In Africa? Here, in Nevada. What about the kids in China and Africa? Yeah, the ones in Nevada actually have to hire a biologist to take care of the injured animals. Yeah.

Brian Burris (31:19.532)
Well, it's, it's, it's... But it's not...

Brian Burris (31:28.044)
It's not just lithium mines, but there's some reporting requirements that probably could be a little bit better on that because it's like, well, if you think it died because it was in the water, then you can send us a message and we might get back to you. There's no investigation on it. They need to be stronger regulations. And righto's right. I mean, we do need to preserve as much of that.

land is possible so we can have it. I mean we're fighting and losing battle right now in St. Enoradix especially with our population and so every little bit of environment and habitat that we lose is going to make that harder for us to make that happen. And so we're not losing the environment for other wild horses that now are starting to dominate the other areas. So...

It's kind of a mix of everything. There's good and bad to it. So certain electric vehicles are a great asset in certain situations, but it's a lot of damage that they do too. So.

ron stoker (32:25.422)
Yeah, just with that, like what Brian said is like trying to fight that fight to like preserve your hunting rights. Like I know me and Brian haven't done a podcast in a while, but one of the reasons that kept on getting in the way is every single time we turned around, we had to go to a political meeting to stop the guy. There was a wine ranch or to stop this or stop that or like to stop them trying to take away heritage tags, to stop them trying to ruin committees. Like every single week. It was exhausting those last year, Brian. We were in front of Congress and Senate like.

least three or four times. I think that's really by design though is to wear you out and then eventually they make another inch and another inch and another inch. I mean look at all the solar fields that are out there right now.

Brian Burris (32:55.916)
yeah

ron stoker (33:06.83)
And that started the same way. People were saying no, no, no, no, no. And eventually it happened anyway. No, they will win if you stop showing up, but they don't get inches on guys that go out on ice with kayaks because we don't got to quit. Like Brian may not have done the podcast. He might not have hunted a lot, but Brian showed up to every single one of those stupid congressional meetings.

Brian Burris (33:18.828)
That's a problem.

Brian Burris (33:25.74)
Well, the problem is it's more lift showing up, right? And a lot of our people are showing up at certain times, but Brian, Ron, and Rydell can't fix the problem. It's gonna take the sportsmen in the mass, right? It's gonna take thousands of sportsmen showing up and on a regular basis. And then I'll tell you, when we started going to cab meetings and wildlife commission meetings and things like that,

It was all anti's that were in the room. So we were losing every fight that we would show up for. I'd show up and then I'm not very nice sometimes. So the anti's quit showing up and we started coming in numbers. And...

That's changed the trajectory of where similar conservation stuff's going. For the first time in Nevada's history, we're going to start banding doves, and so we can see migration patterns in the health of the doves. And that started with when Wildlife Habitat Northern Nevada started that initiative, and we worked with INDOW to get it in place and get the procedures in place. And now we're doing it from Southern Nevada, and we're going to do it with our friends at Quail Forever, and we're going to partner with them to bring that to Northern Nevada as well. So it's...

I know a lot of people are passionate about saving their hunting rights, but are you passionate enough to show up? And you have to show up to get the work done. And we're lucky enough with our organization with Wins, we've got some really great people that do show up and make it happen. But I would encourage everybody, when you see a notice for a cab meeting, just show up, make your voice be heard. Because our voice is pretty loud. We look at it,

The biggest lobby in the state of Nevada right now is the culinary union. They have the most members, though a hundred are way more than that union could ever possibly be. So that's first -person and outdoors groups. So we have to show up to fight it, otherwise we're going to lose it.

ron stoker (35:14.734)
Yeah, and like the excuses you might make are like, I don't have enough time, you know, I'm with my family, I have kid things, I gotta do that. Or you might make the excuse that like, you know, I'm just not bright enough, I'm not eloquent enough, like I don't talk good. Or you might make the excuse that like, you know, someone else will show up, right? But first off, like if you don't show up, your kids aren't gonna have the rights. That, you know, because we showed up, we got the youth tag changed to like...

make it so the kids still have all three C's and they could drive multiple tags, right? So if I didn't show up, my kids wouldn't have that, right? You know, like if you're not eloquent enough, I'm not college educated, you know? And if you just show up and sit in the room, that's all you need sometimes. And you can stand up and go, I wanna ditto what Brian said and you sit back down, right? And so like, if you're not eloquent enough, still show up. And if you don't, if you think someone else is gonna show up, well, that's not true.

If you think someone else is going to show up, that's what they're saying too. So like, like I'm not here to make people feel guilty. I know people have things they need to be doing, but like we got a lot of going against us here in Nevada. We got a lot going against us here in this country. Like New Mexico lost trapping. They reintroduced wolves into Colorado. Well, you know, I'm out and like killed the wolf, but that was cool. you know, they relocated our wild horses into California. Why would you do that? You know?

Brian Burris (36:31.24)
They know.

ron stoker (36:38.702)
Like they're doing lots of crazy stuff. Like they try to kill the bear hunt every single time we go in. And the only reason we have a bear hunt is because it didn't manage properly in California. So we got another predator feeding on our mule deer. You know, like I could go on and on and on and on. And if you show up, you'll start finding these things out. And you might think, it's boring. I don't want to do it, but I don't know. Do you have a good time when you show up, Brian?

Brian Burris (36:59.724)
Well, I get to play with Wiggles, so that's always fun. But no, it's, it's, that's important and I don't know that it's, it's not going to be a good time, but we can, as spokesmen, we have a lot in common. So there's a lot of things that get shared back and forth. I'll tell you, you show up to cab meetings and we start talking about hunt units and what the, what the numbers looked like last year and how we're going to set the quota and things like that. If you're a hunter, that's pretty useful information, right?

I'm not going to put in a unit where I know there's no deer, I'm going to try to put in a unit where I know there's a lot of deer. And the structure, I'll tell you, I got the opportunity to speak for Wynn at the National Trafford Association, whatever they call the readiness summit. So one of the things that we talked about is trapping is the low hanging fruit.

Like, there are almost no trappers in the United States anymore. There's not a lot of money left in trapping. So a lot of the guys that are doing it are doing it, some of them are doing it for business, still do a lot of them, it's just for the heritage piece of it or they enjoy it, whatever it is. I am not a trapper. But I will tell you, I support them every day. And part of the reason is that low -hanging fruit, once that goes away, archery's next. Once archery goes away, then it's muzzle orders.

And once those go away, then they're coming after the rest of it. And there's nothing left, right?

ron stoker (38:23.598)
on copper bullets and then because of copper bullets now there's a price introduction now hunties only for the wealthy like there's a path they have a plan i i talked about copper bullets so in california that's been passed sorry you gotta you can't you can't you gotta shoot that's what you gotta shoot no matter what it is today i saw in one of the main groups that i'm in to where they're supporting that for the entire country and i was like wait a minute where did this even

come from and there's an initiative to make it go through all of the states that you can't use lead anymore, which I understand the environment so on and so forth. But when we're looking at where does lead come from? Well, we make lead. it doesn't come from the ground. we don't want to put it back where it came from.

Brian Burris (39:08.524)
No, let's just do good, Red.

This is the hardest part from the shooting range.

ron stoker (39:21.358)
No.

Brian Burris (39:22.476)
It comes from a grocery store, it's a sector meat.

ron stoker (39:25.198)
But when you're looking at a deer season, you might shoot one run maybe three times. Are we talking about boxes or shells? No, just one cartridge. you shoot one cartridge? Yeah. I understand the duck hunting because it's like bang, bang, bang. Dealt with that same thing. All of the pheasants, everything, anything, upland rabbit, because you're shooting multiple, multiple times and you're shooting a whole bunch of different types of lead. But when you go down south,

And you're shooting, you're shooting seven to 10 times for the whole entire year at seven to 10 different animals. And so you're not leaving a lot of lead out there because it's still pretty much inside of your animal. You're not causing environmental issues. You're not doing it. You're not impacting the environment. The goal with that lead is like, if you switch from lead to copper, like copper's a...

Brian Burris (40:14.38)
Well, the argument was...

ron stoker (40:22.222)
Commodity now like think about copper pipes. That's why tweakers are ripping it out of trailers, right? And so if you switch switch the light and copper the bullets get more high It takes people out of hunting like your folks down south. Well, they like they're still gonna buy bullets You know, like so it takes people out hunting you have less hunters. You have less you will send them free rights and it's gone. Yeah

Brian Burris (40:42.604)
Well, that's the thing too, is the funny part about it is, you know, I come from the water industry and the water industry, so we're moving that from water systems, but there's two parts of this rule and it's the lead and the copper rule. And both of them have issues, right? Both of them have health effects, but with lead, it was, there was a big push and it was like, well, the fish will ingest the lead from duck hunters and then the bearer will get the fish and then the bearer's gonna die of lead poisoning and all this other stuff, but.

The problem with the anti -hunting movement is almost everything that they do is either based on pseudoscience, so they come up with the conclusion before they do the research. And so, exactly the other thing is...

ron stoker (41:23.95)
paid biologist enough, he'll make any study you want work.

Brian Burris (41:29.356)
most of what they do is going on a motion. So as conservationists and spokesmen, we come in with the argument that has the facts. And so once we list the facts out, the facts are indisputable. And so if you're taking science and one of the perfect things is the horses, right? So we are somewhere around 50 ,000 horses, I believe, above AML, upper AML.

And so at Leroy AML, we start managing to where we never get to. So it's basically how many horses that land can support in a region or a particular area, right? So when we get Leroy AML, we start putting actions into place. So we never get anywhere close to upper AML. Now we're at 50 ,000 above upper AML, and then the horse advocates are screaming that we need to save all these horses.

ron stoker (41:54.126)
what AML means, Ryan.

Brian Burris (42:17.228)
Well, the land can't hold the horses. We've got studies, there are scientific studies that show the horses push elk and deer off of water sources. So the elk and deer don't come near water source with their legs around it. So when we can pull studies up like that and show things that were done from a non -pult bias point of view, their argument goes away really, really quick. And so there's nothing I love more than to take that emotional argument.

and then shove it right down that this is the practical argument and this is the science. And we did it with that last interim committee meeting that we went to on. There was a veterinarian that came in and basically we called us all murderers and this other stuff and they were calling all the hunters and the Indal people all idiots and there was a very native thing from her. And so,

What they didn't do was they were trying to put people on this board and make it a diverse board. They had to have so many people of color and so many women and all this other stuff. What they didn't ever address is how that was going to benefit wildlife. And so our comment was, how does that benefit wildlife? So our job as endow in managing wildlife is to benefit wildlife. And so if diversifying the bird's line is going to hurt wildlife, then why are we even talking about it?

ron stoker (43:33.806)
Yeah. And it's not just me and Brian reaching out to these groups. You know, we have the coalition for wildlife here in Nevada. Man, they are good. Huh? Brian, who's the, who's the head of North? We got Joel.

Brian Burris (43:42.732)
They are Joe Blakeslee, Larry Johnson, the head of that group.

ron stoker (43:52.687)
I like Larry Johnson so much. You've got some heroes that you don't even know about that have fought for your rights for so many years. It's ridiculous.

Brian Burris (44:00.012)
We have Mike Reese down south that does a lot of lobbying. It's funny because when I got married, one of the things that I inherited was some political clout in my family. My mother -in -law is a lobbyist and she's offered to lobby on our behalf on issues. And so it's really about getting into these groups and letting them know what our issues are and what our concerns are and how we effectively manage that, how we effectively talk about it.

Getting into the right offices, talking to the right people. But if you're on the sideline and you're not showing up, your voice is never going to be heard.

ron stoker (44:35.47)
I want to speak to that real quick about exactly what you just said. I agree with everything that both of you guys are saying. From my own experience and my point of view is I've been hunting my whole entire life. I've never even heard of cab or anything like that until two years ago. And that was when I went to Woods and Waters, a luncheon.

And it was Mike Reese, actually, who was talking about the Coyote hunting contest stuff. He's very passionate about the Coyote hunting. And so I was like, what is this, Captain, I didn't know, so on and so forth. So I started looking into it. And I was like, OK, I didn't know that this was here. I thought that that was done like at the White House level. And then when Cam Haynes came on board when Trump was in office, I was like, OK, that's how that works. That's at the White House level.

Now, this is where I see the people not being involved. And I know you guys have seen it too, is that when you have hunters, sometimes we don't do ourselves any favors because we cut each other down. We tell them that they're not doing something correctly. We poke at them, not in a joking way, because we do that amongst ourselves. We're joking, we're having fun and we're willing to help. And just like this is take one, teach one.

you that that's what the that's what you should be doing. But I see it. I know you guys see it. We have all of these influx of new. We have this influx of new hunters that come in and they come in to ask a question on a platform and people just cut them down. They are not going to want to come to any type of an organization. They're not going to know about cab. They're not going to even if they do, they're not going to want to show up and say I did what Brian just said.

because they're scared or they've been put down so much that they just don't want to be a part of it and they're just going to be on a whole. I don't want to hang out with these douchebags. Yeah, exactly.

Brian Burris (46:34.06)
And it would be that is a bit thing and then it's the rifle hunter versus the bow hunter versus the metal raider versus the trappers. And we can't as this is so important that we all support each other because the powers in our numbers and we all are passionate about what we do. We want to protect our rights and the other thing that I think we lack, Ragell, is just that piece of as you're talking about, yeah, it's cool to go out and hunt. That's great.

But we also need to go out and do this other stuff and there's no place telling people, hey, if you want to keep your hand in this is what you have to do. And so we have to have that voice, but the other thing to do is sports fingers. Well, it does not. And I actually talked about this at the Trappers Symposium thing. We are very proud of what we do as hunters and rightfully so we do a great job. It's a big thing. When you go tagging the batting line and having six years and you hold us a nice buck, it's awesome.

But when we're posting pictures of 15 cards stacked up on top of each other, the first thing that happens is that goes right to other legislators and it's not us that's giving it to them. And so the narrative is going to be that all they do is care for phone and care for sport. I encourage you guys to share those pictures amongst your friends and like, show them on your phone, but get the heck off social media with that stuff. It's not helping our cause, it's killing us. And so...

ron stoker (48:00.302)
one picture they use in Nevada is from like 2018.

Brian Burris (48:04.588)
Yeah, and so we talked about...

ron stoker (48:05.742)
So they're pulling those pictures. So you guys are doing a better job. But like, yeah, word to the wise, keep it up. I think that we can also flood the opposite image of that with Ron's kids out getting their first turkeys, getting their first elk, getting their first deer. Joe's kid getting his first deer. All of that stuff. Like, who's going to combat that and say, well, look what they're doing when you have an eight -year -old that's smiling ear to ear and providing meat for their family?

Brian Burris (48:10.7)
Yeah, we talked about.

Brian Burris (48:34.732)
And now you bring the family into it, right? So it's mom and dad. And so that was one of the things that I actually brought up two contrasting pictures of that. And it was one of a pile of coyotes that it took them 10 seconds to find on the internet. The other one was a picture of a trapping demonstration with kids in the picture and their families all around getting educated. Which, when in those pictures, is going to be one of a pile of full walls of spokesmen.

The one with the trapping picture with the families gathered around, people can relate to that even if they don't trap. It's a bonding experience. There's people bonding. We can start using that in a good way. And so we can, there's such a need, we're great too, but it can also be the end of us as well.

ron stoker (49:14.19)
Yeah, let me speak a devil's advocate. So I talked about that kayak thing and like I have taken a lot of people out hunting and I have never been more scared than a few fellers I took out hunting without any background checks on them. Like the kayak didn't even like make me feel scared. I took this one guy out hunting, he swung the gun on me so many times. Me and old Mike Jordan had to keep ducking because he was short. Came in a product jacket, that should have been the...

the key. Anyways, that being said, when it comes to introducing new people, like you don't have to be a jerk. But the thing I've started doing on social media, that's every single time like a guy is getting roasted for being like, I don't know an area. What should I do? Every single post I put on there, join a conservation group, join when joined for turning the desert bighorn, join ducks, limit join quell forever. Join was in water. Show up help.

and these guys will help you. I guarantee you they will. And if they don't, you could call me and I will take you out and help you out. But like, if the guys will come out to projects, like most of the time they end up being good guys at take hunting. You know, and so now like when I get scared, like I don't want to take, like I used to take everybody out. Brian knows Brian. Brian's been on some of those trips with me. They get nuts anyways. And like it got really dangerous because I didn't know who I was taking it. I'll take you out. Let's go.

Brian Burris (50:29.74)
my gosh.

ron stoker (50:38.894)
You know, but taking people out to projects, then you get to fill them out so you're not out on a date with a crazy girl. You know? So, you know how that feels now. At the beginning of the night it feels real fun, but by the end, you're worried that you're going to have alimony. You can always do a safety meeting before you start the day. That's what I do. Yeah. Then Alex Bond would have his safety meeting before he shot that guy.

Brian Burris (50:48.428)
Hehehehehe

Brian Burris (51:07.404)
that.

ron stoker (51:07.758)
Safety means they're as good as a safe person is. I just shut it down. I'm like, you're done. Got it out.

Brian Burris (51:12.844)
You know, that's the thing is we look at we have a lot of power sportsmen and people don't realize probably have it. You know right now we want to rise and we

with the organization that we're part of, of what I've had in Nevada, like within four hours this year of our annual banquet, we were able to raise a half a million dollars. And so, and that was all sportsmen in the room. So there's money and there's power there. And you'd be amazed at the influence it is in some of these rooms at these banquets. And so there's power and there's, there's money there to get things accomplished.

And the other thing is when you start getting into these groups as a spurgeman, be it a duck hunter or a big game hunter or desert big horn hunter, I don't care. People start to talk when they get comfortable around other people. So you want to find an area to hunt, go to a conservation project. Because somebody's going to talk to you about the deer that I've had a deer in 113 every year. That's going to be...

Some of the most useful information you're going to have to actually hone your craft

ron stoker (52:21.134)
And I've seen a lot of posts on Facebook where they're like, I'm just gonna call the local biologist. And the local biologist is gonna read the game guide to you. But like, if you can't make it out on a Guzzler project, you can't make it out to a win event, you can't make it out to something else, if you call your local like, wildlife agency like, and now you're like, hey, I wanna volunteer with you. And they're like, okay, well, what do you wanna do? I wanna volunteer with the biologist that's in this area. Okay, let me get his number. And you're like, hey, I'm gonna go out with you and work with you.

Like you will get so much knowledge. It's ridiculous. And when you're not on those animals, you can call them up and be like, Hey, Cody, Cody McGinty, he's up in Ely. Hey, Cody, I'm having a hard time. yeah. Let me, let me take a look. I was out there three days ago and I saw bucks here, you know, but if you actually go out and labor with the biologists and label with the NGOs, you're going to have so much more success and you'll feel better too. Cause you'll feel like you're not just a consumptive user. You know, you're giving back. You're actually a part of the converse.

Brian Burris (53:15.564)
home.

ron stoker (53:19.134)
conservation. Yeah. Yeah. Is what you're a part of when you do.

Brian Burris (53:22.956)
And you learn too, so you talk a lot of stuff about Indow, and so I've been pretty critical about Indow at times, you know, some of the things that they've done. Not really, I'm so common in the U .K. But you start to hang around and start to see the work that they do and what they have to do it with. So we run one of the smallest wildlife organizations in the state as far as Indow. So they're the smallest in the United States, the most funded in the United States.

ron stoker (53:31.79)
Really? You?

Brian Burris (53:50.828)
I'll tell you a last person, that guy, he's not only the waterfowl biologist, but he's a free -baring mammal biologist as well. He has the best data set on bobcats in the entire United States. And so the way he's setting his quota and stuff is amazing. His program, I think it's $1 ,500 a year to run a program.

and that's one of the species that, you know, he's tracking a lot of animals. So if you look at what these guys do with the resources they have, sometimes they're a little too harsh on them. And you start to see that stuff when you come up to these projects. We have guys that come from Indi, that are the geyser manager, that comes out in the night by, here, running into the dirt and not working still.

ron stoker (54:35.822)
Yeah, if you can keep it with Tommy, I'll give you my Tesla.

Brian Burris (54:43.148)
Can I just get like 30 cents instead?

ron stoker (54:45.71)
yeah, no, like, I know Brian, Brian's butted heads of Joe Bennett, but dude, Joe Bennett on a Guzzler project works his butt off. He works his butt off. And so like, I can't, I can't think bad of him anymore because he's such a hard worker.

Brian Burris (55:00.908)
Well, but I was hard on them because there were things that weren't getting done that needed to be done to manage the game, right? And some of the answers we got were not probably the best answers to come out of a management agency. When you say, well, there's a lot of demand for tags in that area, that's not a management decision. You know, I don't care.

ron stoker (55:18.51)
He shaped up once you give him enough crap. He gives you real answers now.

Brian Burris (55:21.644)
Yeah, and so he's changed a little bit, but he also has done some things that I've run up to him and told him, they're doing a great job and I've done it publicly for him. So just because you disagree on something and we're going to be harsh on you in certain areas, it doesn't mean that means you're a horrible person or you might be working out where he is.

ron stoker (55:40.526)
Yeah, no, I agree. So when it comes to like having that deprivation mindset, there's not enough tags, there's not enough of that. Me and Brian and Rydell were talking and one thing people worry about is like if you're doing something and someone else does the same thing, you're not going to have enough of it. And me and Brian and Rydell have been talking about rolling out a Battle Board Inductors Nation to where if you want to get into podcasting, you want to roll out a show.

We'll help you and we'll let you use our studio for free. So. Case of beer. You can pay Brian in crocks. Yeah, so from time to time.

Brian Burris (56:15.148)
Well, we left him one on birth, the suitcase and the beer with the postage. Actually, I have all the beer on me up here with that I've been brewing because they're such an amazing sponsor of ours and Jeff is just so kind to us. Man, I can't speak higher enough without him, so.

ron stoker (56:24.782)
Thank you.

ron stoker (56:30.702)
Yeah, I think the more people we get into podcasting, the more people we get enthusiastic about wildlife, the more conversations we get out there, the better it's going to be for sportsmen in general. And I don't think it's going to take anything away from us. I mean, we haven't done this for a year, you know, but we've been working really hard. I mean, Rydell is now president of when Brian's now running the Northern Nevada chapter. I'm I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm doing something. So I'm doing everything. I don't know.

Brian Burris (56:55.404)
You turn a lot.

ron stoker (56:59.406)
But I'm exhausted and I think we have a good platform if someone else wants to roll out a podcast. And so the studio is open. So for time to time on the Battle Born Ducker channel, you may hear podcasts from Field to Grill. You may hear podcasts from Marsh Addiction. You may hear podcasts from Mike Reese with Southern Nevada Coalition for Wildlife. If you want to do it, we've got the space and you're not going to take anything away from us by doing it.

Brian Burris (57:27.916)
The other thing is we'll help you get through the process, right? So I know it's a little scary to start a new developer, but we've been doing it for a little while and we're still not perfect at it, we've got better. But we can help you get over that initial step and the first step of anything is the hardest step and it's actually taking the step forward to do it. But if you think you have something to share,

That's a value. I encourage you. And I'll tell you that we have a podcast in Olden that wants us on with the Trappers and we have some other stuff. So take the opportunity. I mean, you can do it for free. And then if you only do one, you only do one. For the each we have some good information out to the public.

ron stoker (58:08.11)
Yeah, no, I absolutely agree. Like when we, when we, when we first started this, we started with a me and my socks and like a crappy mic, like in, in our living room. And man, we've learned so much more. We've got three monitors going here. We've got a sound board. We've got PCs. We're, we're running remotely. Like it is a learning curve and it sucks. Like me and Brian were the first time we had Rydell on, it took us an

hour and a half to get the mics working. Do you remember that right now? Yes, I do remember. I'm still waiting. I just got the Phenium duck popper. So that's how we kept them in the studio. He said, these duck poppers run out. I'm leaving.

Brian Burris (58:39.468)
But that's it, that's the cool thing.

But that's the cool thing, if you look at the room that you guys are in right now. So we started rolling on the internet, and it was just trying to see if we could help somebody out. But it's evolved. The writing in the studio is because Rigel has a background in media and stuff like that. So Rigel is able to give us pointers and make us better.

And so we just want to share some of that with everybody else. I think that the more we lift each other up, the stronger we're going to be as a group, the more there's going to be a go around for all of us.

ron stoker (59:17.646)
Yeah, well, I don't think we'll run out if we keep working hard. And yeah, you'll see some more podcasts from us and Rydell's gonna be probably a full -time guest as much as we can get him in here. And sometimes Brian will be in our zone, sometimes I'll bring on my own because we're gonna make sure we, Brian has so many more people up there in Northern Nevada. I can't wait to hear his podcast with Jeff, so.

Brian Burris (59:41.228)
Yeah, and speaking of Jeff, that's a perfect segue for when we're doing a talk at GAF. So our friend the Battle Born Beer has done some pretty cool things. They have a couple specialty cans out now. If you go to Albert Sins, they have one that's going to be super important for us. And so Battle Born Beer has partnered with the New Idaho Virgin of Wildlife to give back to the New Beer Project. So,

ron stoker (59:44.91)
Yes!

Brian Burris (01:00:08.332)
Every can of Battleborn beer you have, it's especially rated can with a beer on it. They will donate a portion of that sale to the beer project with Inval. So, obviously if you're going to have these down south, go out and buy the beer.

ron stoker (01:00:24.078)
That it, Brian?

Brian Burris (01:00:25.388)
That one is actually that is a radio style beer. It's in the other can that they have at Alderson's. That's a different thing, but they're real. There you go. Perfect. So this can right here, you can see the movie on it. You can see the state of Nevada movie on it. Jeff has been a huge sponsor of us. yeah, that Habitat for Nevada. In fact, he provides the beer for us for our banquets everywhere.

but he's now moving back to wildlife in Nevada. So, go to try. It's a great deal. And like I said, let's support those people that are supporting wildlife and supporting those that do support wildlife.

ron stoker (01:01:01.184)
Yeah, I can't say enough good things about Jeff. Our banquet, our organization wouldn't be where it was today if we didn't have Battle Born Beer. I mean, when we were small and not doing really good with our banquet, Jeff came in and put a 12 pack at every single table. And it's just escalated from there and it spun out of control with more guns and more beer than you could ever drink. So it's been a wild ride.

Brian Burris (01:01:26.38)
you might not be able to trick it.

ron stoker (01:01:29.806)
I hope we can get some more people to do podcasts and get them on the same wild ride we've been on. So, what else you got right now? Anything to close it out? There's always something to talk about.

That was it. Just not right now. Thank you, Mr. Hollywood. Shit, I thought Denzel Washington was over there. I think that this particular episode of this podcast, which I'm going to label.

Brian Burris (01:01:44.332)
That was a good one, right, Al? You didn't think that all on your own?

Brian Burris (01:01:53.484)
Was that not on cue card, sir?

ron stoker (01:02:06.67)
take action and stop making excuses. That it's all about the education, it's all about the knowing, and it goes back to what you guys say, we could take one, teach one, always say each one, teach one. And if we get some of these guys that are just coming in, guys and gals and kids, just coming in and showing them the more conducive way to be fantastic sports people.

And then they can pass that on to whoever comes along with them. And instead of the animosity and you don't have the right type of gear or you don't have this type of gun or anything like that, just get out and go hunting. Go fishing, go camping, go hiking. Yeah, you can make up for a lot with just a lot of effort.

Brian Burris (01:02:55.116)
Absolutely. Well, we about done? Alright, well, you know, if we're gonna go out this weekend, I'm gonna take somebody with you. If you're gonna take somebody with you, why don't you teach them something? And if you can't take somebody with you, teach somebody. Make sure you harden.

ron stoker (01:02:57.678)
We're good, Brian.

ron stoker (01:03:10.126)
Thanks everybody.

Brian Burris (01:03:11.436)
Thank you. Peace out.